Episode #33 - Narco Mindset Podcast - What is ugly about America Today

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Episode #33

Narco Mindset Podcast

What is ugly about America Today

September 16, 2020

Host: Jorge Valdes Ph.D. - An Author, Speaker, Blogger, Mindset Coach, Podcaster, and YouTuber

In this episode, Dr. Valdes talks about James Altucher's article on how New York was not coming back this time. Interestingly enough another New Yorker, Jerry Seinfeld attacked him vehemently in another opinion piece. Seinfeld did not refute Altucher’s very well laid out arguments, he simply attached the man personally with very ugly language. This is what is happening in America today there is no longer dialogue, it's simply camps of warriors waiting to attack those that think differently. We must bring civility back.

 

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INTRO:              Before we watched TV shows and movies on Narcos, and even before Pablo Escobar’s rise to fame, there was one man who was the ultimate Narco. He lived the Narco life of greed, money and power but found a way to reclaim his life, and use his astonishing experiences to empower others to live a life of hope, meaning and redemption. Welcome to the Narco Mindset podcast where Dr. Jorge Valdes shares his journey through life before and after the Medellín Drug Cartel. From torture and multiple prison sentences to how he refocused his life onto a path of principles learned as a Narco. It’s time to share that raw truth with you, right here on the Narco Mindset podcast with your host, Dr. Jorge Valdes.

Jorge:               Today on the Narco Mindset podcast: What we need to figure out is what can we do to make whatever someone is criticizing better? How much money are you spending to rebuild the community you left? We’ve got to work hard to become more civil. What really, really I want for my daughter above all is that her husband is a decent human being. But if I try to conduct my life where I don’t try to attack anybody personally, and I can just debate the issues, the greatest movements in history have not been done by thousands and thousands of people but have been done by one person who believed that he or she could make a difference in the world.

Welcome to the Narco Mindset podcast. My name is Dr. Jorge Valdes. I am your host today. You know, recently I saw a very interesting dialog, and I want to title this podcast “What is ugly about America today.” An author, a blogger, a podcaster, and a LinkedIn influencer wrote an update for LinkedIn saying that New York City is dead. His name is James Altucher. It’s very interesting because he did a very, very detailed exposé of why he thought New York City was dead. He broke it down very, very methodically, gave shots. The guy loved New York as many, many of us did. When he wrote, he said, and I’ll quote, “I love New York City. When I first moved to New York City, it was a dream come true. Every corner was like a theater production happening right in front of me. So much personality, so many stories.

Every subculture I loved was in New York City. I could play chess all day and night. I could go to comedy clubs. I could start any type of business. I could meet people. I had family, friends, opportunity. No matter what happened to me, New York City was a net I could fall back to and bounce back to. New York City has experienced worse.” He writes, “Now it’s completely dead. But New York City has seen worse. New York City always bounces back. No, not this time. Now it’s completely dead.” People respond, “But New York City always bounces back.” “No, not this time,” he responds. But New York City is the center of the financial universe. Opportunities will flourish here again. Not this time. New York City has experienced worse. Not this time.”

He goes on and he methodically says the reasons why New York City will never come back. Three of the most important reasons are business opportunities, culture, food. He talks about how all these Manhattan buildings are just emptying out. The Time-Life skyscraper is 90% empty. Businesses realized that they don’t need their employees at the office. In fact, they realized they're even more productive without everyone back at the office. He continues to go down how most of the people are leaving and how real estate has just dropped terribly from 30-50%. What made him end up going to Miami for a while was [inaudible00:03:46] his video cameras how rioters were trying to break into his building.

He looked at his wife and said, “You know, we love New York City but what’s more important? New York City or our children?” And he decided to make the move to leave for Miami. Altucher’s article is very, very detailed.

In the end, he concludes that bandwidth is part of the main reason why New York will never come back. People are going to work remotely now. It is a fact that many, many buildings are closing down. The occupancy is way low. Landlords have to pay taxes. Landlords have to pay mortgages. But then the state of New York goes ahead and tells people they don’t have to pay rent. In the end, somebody is going to go bankrupt. Another thing is, the state is now raising the taxes that it needs. New York is literary bankrupt. New York is in enormous debt. When New York goes bankrupt or when New York continues to have less and less income coming in, what’s going to happen to those services that people so desperately need? Emergency services, garbage, all the different services that are needed.

What I really want to talk about most with this article is not the fact whether New York City is dead or not. That’s up to Mr. Altucher to decide or up to the people of New York City to decide but what’s important about the article is what Jerry Seinfeld did. Jerry Seinfeld went ahead and he responded to the article. I’ll just quote a couple of things that he said. “You say New York City will not bounce back this time,” Seinfeld writes in a New York Times opinion column. “You say New York City will not bounce back this time, you will not bounce back. In your enervated, pastel-filled new life in Florida, I hope you have a long, healthy run down there. I can’t think of more fitting retribution for your fine article. This stupid virus will go away eventually the same way you have.” He continues with his personal attacks to the point that he says, “You’ve found a place in Florida? Fine. We know the sharp focus and restless, resilient creative spirit that Florida is all about.”

You know, he starts demeaning Florida, a place where he has a home. A place where I have seen him at the Winter Equestrian Festival in Wellington because his daughter rides horses. He says, “You think Rome is going away too? London? Tokyo? East Village? They’re not. They change. They re-form. Because greatness is rare. The true greatness that is New York City. Oh, and about Manhattan venue, I have been onstage at your comedy club, Stand Up New York, quite a few times,” Seinfeld writes. “It could use a little sprucing up if you don’t mind my saying. I wouldn’t worry about it. You can do it from Miami.”

The attacks are completely all personal, and the interesting thing, he doesn’t present any facts but he just presents a lot of feelings about what he loves, and I understand that. People love a place and they defend it but the interesting thing is that he doesn’t attack any of Altucher’s points with facts. He simply attacks him with putting the guy down and calling him stupid, and thanking him for leaving and all kinds of horrible, horrible stuff. That’s the world that we live in today.

No longer can we express our opinion without someone attacking us not for what we have expressed but attacking us personally because everything now has become personal. No more we live in a world where people have their own opinion. Now, I, for one, don’t give a damn. Like I’ve told you many, many times before, I’m not politically correct so I’m going to say what I feel. But I pray that every time I say what I feel, I say it out of conscience, and not out of demeaning somebody. Who the hell is Seinfeld, feeling rich in his car, in his house, wherever he wants, his private jets, goes wherever he needs to go? He’s going to receive income from his shows for the rest of his life. Of course, he can demean whoever the hell he wants to demean but at the end of the day, he has no moral authority to do that. What is he doing to revive New York City? That’s the question.

When we put somebody down for expressing their opinion, what we need to figure out is what can we do to make whatever somebody is criticizing better? If someone is talking about how bad the situation is in our communities today like we see across our nation, my question becomes what are you doing to make that community better? As I see many, many athletes taking a stand today for Black Lives Matter movement, listen, I share the same sentiment that they do. I think that demeaning person, not giving an opportunity to people is horrific. I get it. I know that my African-American brothers have gone through hell. Their history. I think that one thing that people need to fight is to let kids learn in school about the plight of the African-American community in America.

But the interesting thing is, I asked all these athletes, yeah, it’s good to put on a T-shirt. It’s good to say black lives matter. It’s good to say all this stuff. What the hell are you doing to make a black life better? I feel for prisoners. What am I doing? We sent, as of now, almost 30,000 books. Each book is read by 10 inmates. For a moment, for an hour, two hours, three hours, six hours, however long it takes them to read that book, they will leave that space, and they will go and think about how somebody else in their same situation was able to find hope, and find redemption. When we think about attacking people, we need to stop this ugliness. I mean, my God, it’s no more about sharing a personal feeling in a responsible and elevating way, it’s just about putting people down. That’s what this world has come to.

If someone doesn’t share our opinion, we want to destroy them and we don’t want to destroy the opinion, we want to destroy the individual, and that sucks. Until we rise up and say enough, we’re not going to put up with this shit, it’s going to get worse and worse and worse. Listen, I understand that black lives matter. But let me ask you this, how much money are you spending to rebuild the community you left? Because you know what is sad? Most of us that make it out of the ghetto, and I made it out of the ghetto, the first thing that we do is we move into the white communities that we have gone ahead and put down forever.

The worst part is, we don’t ever look back. I see guys like LeBron James who built that school. Whenever he says something, I respect it because he’s done something. People have criticized him saying you know, he got money from other people. I don’t give a damn who he got the money from. Created a school for at-risk kids who are having an opportunity. Who will survive and will have a chance to go to school and to get an education. Go to college and better their situation. But if we don’t do anything about these communities, they're destroyed.

It doesn’t matter if you make every white person in the world like you. What the hell does that mean if we’re all going to be in jail? Again, when we talk about sharing a different opinion with someone, why does it always have to be personal? We need to dig deep within us to find out what triggers this inside of us that all of a sudden, we feel that we have a license not to defer and not to have dialog but to put down and destroy. If we don’t agree with somebody, we don’t sit down and have a dialog. The art of dialog, the art of exchanging ideas, and learning has completely been destroyed. It doesn’t exist anymore. Now it’s all about debate, it’s all about hatefulness, and it’s all about ugliness. It’s all about how if I don’t like your opinion, what can I do to really destroy you?

As I look at Seinfeld and the way he responded to Altucher, if I was James, I’d be happy because I triggered something in him that he could not debate. All he could say is he loved New York and New York will come back. Well, tell me how. James lays out a lot of different points. Mainly, one of the things he says is, “Listen, there’s bandwidth now.” What that means is that before, people could not leave because they had to work in the city. But now, all of the buildings, the Time-Line building is 96% empty. If all these buildings are empty, and people can work remotely, why would they want to come back? Why would they want to pay 16.6%? Listen, I love New York City. God knows my wife and I would go at least three times a year because we love the theater.

I grew up, I went to high school in Jersey City. I remember being a little boy getting on the subway with my brother and going to Yankee Stadium to watch the Yankees play. There’s something magical about New York City. There’s no other city like New York City. People hate it, but they still love it, and it’s different. But James listed out why he believes that it might not come back. I don’t know if it will come back or not. I seem to agree with a lot of the points James puts down. I mean, if there is no revenue if the offices are empty if people are leaving permanently, I mean, you look right now, and you see all these high-end stores boarded up. It looks like, I don’t know, someone, driving through Afghanistan. It’s horrible. Now, will that be temporary? Perhaps. But while there’s a government there that keeps locking the city down, saying that theaters will only open up at 25% capacity, well, James lays it out. Listen, that’s BS. Theaters cannot survive at 25% capacity.

If people are realizing they can work remotely and move to a city where the cost of living is affordable, that’s what’s going to happen. That’s what a lot of companies are going through. Over and over again, I talk to all kinds of friends of mine that worked for different enterprises, and their companies are moving remotely everywhere. Many have not come back. I talked the other day to a very dear friend of mine who owns a big marketing agency in Atlanta. He hasn’t been back to the office since March. It was challenging but you know what, we are resilient and we adapt and we change, and he’s making it work as many will make it work. But the ugliness about Jerry is that it’s all personal. I mean, he calls the guy an idiot. He tells him to stay in Florida. He insults Florida but nowhere does he say any of the points that Altucher has said are valid, and they are valid. It is true. You don’t have to be a genius to see it.

Why must we resort to this type of behavior? Why would we even accept a Seinfeld who sits out rich and mighty having done nothing for any human being? I don’t read about him doing any social work, trying to help anybody. Yeah, I’ve seen him. My daughter was going to buy a pony one time when she started riding, and I thought, you know, $25,000 was a lot of money for a horse, for a lease, not even to buy. They laughed at us because they were going to show it to Seinfeld who was going to pay $75,000 because he was Seinfeld. Listen, I’m a capitalist, so I’m happy that Jerry has made all the money that he has made, and the success he has enjoyed, and the hard work that he’s put behind it. But, the truth of the matter is, that doesn’t give him the right to destroy another human being especially when it’s all personal.

My question to people when this happens is what triggers you? What is deep down inside of you that makes you God Almighty and makes you think that you're better than everybody else and you can just go ahead and just attack people? Why can’t you just take point by point and debate and say, “Listen, James, you talk about business, you talk about culture, you talk about dining, you talk about all these,” and point by point, tell him how he’s wrong. But no, he can’t. So, because he cannot because those are facts he cannot debate, he’ll just become ugly and attack. When you're a guy like Seinfeld that has all the money in the world and live the life that he lives, he doesn’t have any moral authority to tell anybody what is real or not. How much is the suffering? He’s probably in the Hamptons. I’m sure he’s got a big, old mansion there, or in his house in Florida. I’m sure he’s saying that they're going to leave New York City. My question is how long does he spend in New York City?

We need to come back and we need to go back to an era where we used to have a debate, which made this nation great. If you read a lot about our founding fathers, and lately, I’ve been listening to Alexander Hamilton’s biography, and it’s fascinating. I didn’t even realize most of these founding fathers were in their 20s. Unbelievable principles and they had dialogue. They had differences that were enormous, and they had a serious dislike, some for one another. One of the big differences was that was really amazing is Alexander Hamilton was very, very anti-slavery. George Washington, our main founding father, owned 200 slaves. The interesting thing was that privately, they all thought that it was a horrific thing to be, a slave-owner and that somehow slavery had to be abolished in America. But publicly, like typical politicians, none of them dared to go out there to speak because there was a whole industry based upon slavery.

There were differences back then. There have been differences throughout history but what I’ve noticed now is that we have gotten to a point that is no more where I can express my differences, and you can debate me or you can have a contrary opinion to what I believe and it will be fine. At the end of the day, we both present what we believe and it’s up to whoever reads or hears us go ahead and make their own decision. But it’s not like that anymore. Same as our political parties.

It’s no more about what is the greater good for America, it’s that if the Republicans stand for something, Democrats hate it. If the Democrats stand for something, Republicans hate it. There’s no more empathy. If I’m a Republican, I cannot look at a guy like Joe Biden and say he’s a decent man. No, I have to attack him personally and call him to pervert, sleepy, creepy. Come on, you know what, my mother would have whooped my ass when I was a young kid if I talked like that about anybody but yet we applaud. We applaud when our president talks like that about him.

The same thing goes in the other way. Both parties are just as guilty. How can we get to that point in life, and is there any hope? Is New York City dead? My question is, is America dead? I don’t think so. I think America is the greatest country that ever was, and I do believe that America will change. I have a lot of faith in this generation coming up that people believe are lost. Talk to young people. Yeah, they're immersed in the internet. They're immersed in YouTube. Social media has become an unbelievable weapon for them but the truth is, a lot of them are very deep, and a lot of them have a very social conscience that they believe they can change the world. But if all they see is the ugliness of their parents or the ugliness of their leaders, what are they going to be informed about?

I thank God that as opposed to my generation that had very little access to information, so pretty much what the news said we believed it. Now, the access that’s out there is immense, so nobody has to believe anything anymore. But we have a responsibility as adults to create and empower the up and coming generation. To raise our children to be decent human beings. We never think about this.

We talk about who do we want for our daughter. What type of young man does a father want for his daughter? One of the things that I’ve always had very, very clear, I wish that young men share the same faith that I do. I wish that young men share the same values, beliefs that I do. But those are inconsequential. What really, really I want for my daughter above all is that her husband is a decent human being. You know, we don’t ever talk about that anymore. We don’t ever talk about decency. We don’t ever try to teach our kids to be decent. I see friends of mine, people that call themselves Christians, and I believe that they are, say the ugliest things I have ever seen about other human beings on Facebook. That’s why I got out of Facebook because I couldn’t stand it anymore and there’s this element in my life that wants to fight whenever I see something I don’t agree with, but I don’t want to fall into that trap.

I’m 64 years old, and like that song says, how many summers do I have left? If I’m blessed, 20. If I’m really, really blessed, 30. The truth of the matter is I am going downhill. On my way downhill, I’m going to make sure that I do all I can to raise children that love God, love people, and are decent. That’s the main thing that I ask, and our young people of integrity. I tell my son just the same way that my father told me forever. Truth matters. Honor matters.

It doesn’t matter to so many anymore. How much honor does Jerry Seinfeld have attacking another human being that probably doesn’t even know? Then he goes on to attack his comedy club? Listen, everybody does the best they can with the best that they have. If you have a property or a business that is not up to tiptop shape or the standard that someone like Seinfeld might like, well, perhaps, they don’t have the resources to do that. But they're trying to do the best they can to provide a product that will entertain and will be pleasing to people. What do you do, Jerry? You tell them how dilapidated the building is, and how he can fix it from Miami. Come on, man shut the hell up.

I used to have a lot of respect for Seinfeld because he’s a man of unbelievable talent. My respect for him now is zero. Now I’m sure he doesn’t give a damn about that because who am I? I’m a twice-convicted drug dealer. I’ll tell you one thing, and this is what really irks me about a changed life. If Jerry Seinfeld made that comment in my world when I lived about anybody, he wouldn’t be alive today. That’s a fact, and it’s sad. It’s sad that we have to threaten people with death so that they will be decent, threaten people with death so they will be honest. I always told my workers, no one dies for telling the truth. That was a fact. Later on, I went to teach a class on Ethics, and I used to say, “You know, in my world, back in the ‘70s, we dealt with maybe $70-100 million a month, and everyone paid. We had no receipt book, we had no signed document, no contract. Everybody paid.” I stopped.

Then people looked at me, and said, “Of course, because in your world, if people didn’t pay, they get killed.” My response is really simple. Must we threaten people with death to make them decent human beings, and to make them honest? Jerry, consider yourself lucky that you live in a world right now where you can express whatever the hell you want, be as nasty as you want. People that like you are still going to like you. People that don’t like you, don’t matter what the hell you say, they're not going to like you, and that you don’t live in a world where you try to elevate people. Hey, tell James, you’ve got the money, say, “Hey, why don’t we get together at your comedy club and debate this issue.” Not debate it with ugliness but debate it with facts because, at the end of the day, opinions are like anal holes, they all are different and they all stink. Truth is, facts are facts.

James Altucher presented facts about how he believes New York will not come back. It’s his opinion. I believe he loves New York City. I love the stuff that he writes. Very insightful, very brilliant. You don’t like it, Jerry? Tell me your facts. Don’t tell me that James sucks or that Miami sucks or that those states that people are moving to. You’ve been to them because yeah, of course, you’ve been to them all because you're very wealthy. You can fly your plane anywhere you want, and that’s wonderful. Praise God, you worked your ass off and you deserve it. But what you don’t deserve is to put those places down because you want to say that the people that are moving from New York to those places suck. Dude, get a life, man. Is that what you're teaching your children? If you are this nasty, my question then becomes, how nasty are your children? My next question to you is, how would you like your daughter to marry someone as nasty as you?

I’m not judging you, let me correct that. I’m not saying you're this nasty human being but if what you wrote is a reflection of who you are, to me, you really don’t have much worth. You know it’s sad because I love your shows. I still consider you… I still love them. It doesn’t matter that now I have this opinion of you. I still love them. The truth is, the main point I’m trying to get at is that you are the example of what America has become. That sucks. We need to go back to the greatest generation on earth. They had respect for each other. They had very, very difficult and very, very different opinions about how life should be run, how the government should be run. They had Democrats, and they had Republicans, and they are adamantly against each other.

You know what, recently I saw an article. When Richard Nixon was campaigning against John F. Kennedy, and Richard Nixon got ill and went to a hospital, John F. Kennedy stopped the campaign. Shortly, a couple of days after, the first person that visited Richard Nixon was Lyndon B. Johnson who was the vice president, with Kennedy campaigning against them. My God, that was decency. Their opinions, Nixon’s and Kennedy’s, were worlds apart. Personally, I am sure they thought horrific things about each other but they were decent human beings and showed civility. I don’t worry about Seinfeld. I worry about his children and the people that listen to him that believes that what he did was right, and good for him, and will teach that to their kids because at the end of the day, our children will grow up one day to run this nation. They will be the next presidents. They will be the next judges, next doctors, or the next teachers. Abraham Lincoln said that the fate of humanity lies in the hands of our children.

My question is, if people like Jerry Seinfeld who have a voice, and who have a platform is able to express these horrific insults, and not be taken back, and not have someone stop them and say, “Listen, you're wrong. You can have the opinion that you want to have but the way that you responded to this article just shows how little you are.” My dad used to say, “It doesn’t matter how much money a man has. Don’t judge him by the money he has. Judge him by his little action because if you can tell how that person does something that is little, he sure will know what he will do when it’s something big.” Well, I don’t know if this is little or big but it was very, very demeaning, and I think James did right in answering him back and questioning why are you attacking me personally. That’s the question today.

As we look at our politicians, and we are about to decide who the next president, who the next senators and congressmen are, ask ourselves, what is their behavior like? Or do we live in a world that no one gives a damn? Do we live in a world that all these Republicans said horrific things about Donald Trump, and then kissed his ass right after? You know what, I don’t believe that the things that they said should have been said because of debate policy, debate principles. Don’t attack the human being on both sides of the aisle because it’s just not right. Because look, whether you believe in God or not, I just believe we’re going to be judged one day. Now, I might be wrong and full of crap, and you know what, if I am, I’ve lost nothing. But if I try to conduct my life where I don’t try to attack anybody personally, and I can just debate the issues, and say, “Listen, what you did is wrong. What you did is demeaning. What you did is little.”

I hope that this is how I’m referring to Seinfeld. I don’t know him personally. He might be the greatest human being in the world. You know, when I met him at the Winter Equestrian Festival in Wellington, he was just like another dad, looking out for his daughter, excited to buy his daughter a good horse. He was in line at the coffee line right in front of my wife. He wasn’t pompous, there was not a ton of people around him. He was just another guy. Maybe that’s just the way that he is. And maybe this one time is really not how he is. But the truth of the matter is that when we act like this one time, that’s how we’re judged. We’re not judged by the thousands of times that we do things right. Unfortunately, we live in a world where we are judged by that one time. We’ve got to be very, very careful about our words, and we’ve got to work hard to become more civil. It’s got to start with each and every one of us.

It’s got to start by calling out those that are not, and say, “No, you know what, I will not settle for that. That’s not the behavior that I believe. That’s not what I want my children to hear. That’s not what I want my children to read, and that’s sure as hell not how I want my children to behave.” We’re going to leave this earth. I will leave this earth, sooner or later. My God, I never thought I’d live past 24 but when I do leave this earth, I just hope that I did the best that I could to make it a little better, to raise children that are respectful. All my children are very successful, and people applaud that and they wonder how is it. I had been in prison 10 years of their lives. Broken homes. How come all your kids have graduate degrees, and they are all very successful, and they're all, above all, very decent human beings?

My daughter is married to an amazing young man, a decent young man. My son is married to an amazing young lady, a decent young lady. That’s all I ask of my children when they marry someone. Just make sure they're a decent human being because we can work through all our other faults but if you're not decent, it just leaves a mark that’s very horrific. It leaves a legacy that we sure as hell don’t want to follow.

So, in conclusion, I’d like to say we need to work hard. We don’t need to accept that this is just the world the way it is, and nothing can be done. We all can make a difference. The greatest movements in history have not been done by thousands and thousands of people but have been done by one person who believed that he or she could make a difference in the world. Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Mandela, many people like that. Martin Luther King. Let’s reach out for the decency that’s within us. Let’s work hard on getting rid of the ugliness that pervades our life in the world that we live in. Let’s work hard to make it a better world for our children and our grandchildren so that when we leave, we can at least say, “Hey, I did the best I could to make it a better place for them.”

In closing, reach out for what is good. As you look at things that are on social media, don’t share the ugliness. Share the good. Applaud the good. Share the struggle of humanity. Share the successes of the underprivileged. Don’t share those ugly posts that demean people just because you don’t like a presidential candidate. It doesn’t mean anything. At the end of the day, every human being was created by the same God. Let’s reach out for the inner good that is within us. I believe there’s good within all of us. The question becomes is, at the end of the day, what do we feed the most, the ugliness or the good? Think about that.

Again, thank you so much for listening today to the Narco Mindset Podcast. If you’ve enjoyed this podcast, I ask you to please go to our website www.jorgevaldesphd, sign on to our community, you will get a free copy of our book. We’re doing a lot of great things. We’re developing great products. I’m developing a coaching platform. I’m developing a platform where people can sign up every month, and have questions answered. I receive a lot of emails, a lot of us are struggling out there. We’re trying to do the best we can to make this a better world. At the end of the day, if all we do, is give someone hope to go on living, and someone hopes and believes that they can change and that they, too, can become better, we’ve done a great job. Share the message with your friends, and I really hope to see you back on the next Narco Mindset podcast.

OUTRO:            We’ve come to the conclusion of this episode of the Narco Mindset podcast but your path towards hope, meaning and redemption continues. For more information and resources to help you on your path towards finding a life built on integrity, honor and truth, head to jorgevaldesphd.com, and join our community. We appreciate you joining us for this episode, and look forward to helping you find your turning point right here on the Narco Mindset podcast.



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