Episode #19- Narco Mindset Podcast - Decline of Morality

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Decline of Morality and How is has Created a New Challenge for Young People

June 3, 2020

Host: Jorge Valdes Ph.D. - An Author, Speaker, Blogger, Podcaster, and You Tuber 

Co-Host: Anthony Petrucci



In this episode, Anthony, Dr. Valdes’ co-host, challenges Dr. Valdes to talk about morality and the decay of morality in America today and whether a society can survive in a world where there is no morality.  Dr. Valdes posits that he reads the bible as a book of philosophy and morals and how things that were right/ moral two thousand years ago are right and moral today.  How we have a double standard in so-called “Christians” that go to church on Sunday and are super holy at church, but at home, they are the complete opposite.  Dr. Valdes ends the episode on the high note that in the game of life, God will always win, and that great movements in history were often directed by one person who was crazy enough to believe they can change the world and did.  He believes God will raise someone who will usher in a new era of morality, not informed by society and Hollywood but informed by God.

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INTRO:              Before we watched TV shows and movies on Narcos, and even before Pablo Escobar’s rise to fame, there was one man who was the ultimate Narco. He lived the Narco life of greed, money and power but found a way to reclaim his life, and use his astonishing experiences to empower others to live a life of hope, meaning and redemption. Welcome to the Narco Mindset podcast where Dr. Jorge Valdes shares his journey through life before and after the Medellín Drug Cartel. From torture and multiple prison sentences to how he refocused his life onto a path of principles learned as a Narco, it’s time to share that raw truth with you, right here on the Narco Mindset podcast with your host, Dr. Jorge Valdes.

Jorge:               Today on the Narco Mindset podcast: If morality is not there to educate us with this and to enlighten us, then what is? I use the Bible to teach the hardest of all inmates to be moral people. In reality, a lot of time, moral people don’t take a hard stand because today, we don’t stand for what is right and we don’t stand against what is wrong then the church has no meaning because what is the church? I never killed anyone or had anyone killed, so should I say I am more moral than a lot of the assassins that I knew because they took lives? Just because we do bad things sometimes doesn’t mean that we don’t have the ability to become good.  

Thanks for joining us today. I am your host, Dr. Jorge Valdes, here with my co-host Antony Petrucci. Anthony, we’re living in a very confusing world. I never thought I would see the day that truth did not matter any longer, especially when I lay on the floor of a Panamanian prison willing to die for that truth. I know I am a bit of an extremist, and I do have radical ideas but as I look at the subject and a lot of people say to me, “You know, the world is different. The world has changed. Things are just not just exactly the way that they are.” The truth of the matter to me is if there is no truth then what really matters? In today’s episode, I want us to explore the decline of morality and how it has created new challenges for young people. What are your thoughts on this?

Anthony:          Morality is widely misunderstood in my opinion. In many ways, morality is about safeguarding. It’s preventative for people. The old adage of planting good seeds for good results. I also think that morality is not about being self-centered, and in our society today, which so many times is self-centered, you see the fruit of that, which is more negative. But to have behaviors, to have a culture that is actually not self-centered but something that is for the good of all people, then you’re going to have great improvements and advancements in society. I do believe morality, even traditional morality has timeless principles that people can adopt, that are as relevant today as they were decades ago or hundreds of years ago or thousands of years ago.

There are just certain ways ... the way the world works. That’s why I think morality is widely misunderstood. But there are so many questions about morality and I’m excited about today’s podcast because I think we can explore things. Historically, there are things called middle-class morality. What does that mean? Who decides what is moral and what is not moral? I think you are really a perfect person to address this issue because, by traditional standards, you had lived an immoral lifestyle when you were a cocaine drug lord. Starting off, what does morality really mean to you after living that kind of lifestyle and really being able to look at both of them, and also, what do you think is the impact of morality versus immorality on a family?

Jorge:               You know, Anthony, this is a great question because even when I used to teach a class on ethics, I called it Ethical Relativism. What you just pointed out is to make what we call moral relativism, right? So, morality is only relative to what time and place. Some people can say morality depends upon the religion you are brought in, right? Religion is nothing but a subset of disciplines and things that we do. Here’s what’s interesting, and this is important for the listeners. I always want to make a point straight that we were bad people. We can glamorize this Narcos and the Narcos Show.

It’s funny, the other day I was watching Narcos Mexico, which I know a lot about it. You know, it was really sad but I caught myself freaking rooting for the bad guy. I wanted him to get the load in. I didn’t want the DEA agent to get him. I was sort of like happy when he got away with it and the DEA ended up with nothing but then I realized it and I said to myself, “What is wrong?” What is wrong with the world? What’s wrong with me because that was wrong. These are people, good people risking their lives and the bad people are just bad people.

But here is where it really crosses with what you are talking about. In the world I lived in, we had no morals as far as safeguards or as far as things that we would consider like purity or things that related to sexuality but as far as everything else, we were really, really committed to what we believed in. I say that we were the people with the greatest integrity you could find. At the end of the day, ask yourself how many people you can lend $100 million on a handshake. What we don’t realize and what I did not realize ... I’m going to bring it real personal. You know, I talk about, in the book, Coming Clean that it got to a point in my life that I couldn’t go to bed without going to bed with two, three women.

It starts out with one and then one is not enough and then two and then three are not enough. Morality just plays no role, no role at all in it. Then what is the outcome? The outcome is that we enter into a depraved world and it’s just downhill from there. You look at your wife and you look at your daughter and you must ask yourself, “Hey, those women were somebody else’s daughter. Those women were somebody else’s sister. Those women could have been somebody else’s wife. I wouldn’t want my wife to be treated like that.”

To go ahead and to classify morality as to applicable to certain people or what is moral or not immoral in certain cultures or culture, I just have to believe that as you and I talk a lot about it, we refer a lot to the Bible and it is important for the listeners to know we don’t refer to a Bible as a religious text that I want to convert somebody or enlighten somebody. I just look at it as really … there was a time at first, I didn’t believe in God so I just read it as a historical book. Lately, I find myself reading it a lot. I read a lot of it every day. I just need it for myself. I find myself reading it almost as a book of philosophy, and to look at principles, principles that were very, very prevalent thousands and thousands of years ago that I look at today and I say how could someone so wise had known that even though they were writing to a moment in time in a community, it would be just so applicable to us because it’s what you call those eternal moral principles.

In one of these podcasts, I want you and I to explore. Lately, I’ve been reading a book about Dr. Phil Ryken, the President of Wheaton College, what a great book about dealing with depression and how he was depressed. In one of the chapters, he talks about sexual sin and he compares it to David, and that’s amazing, unbelievable. As a matter of fact, I just finished reading it last night. I’m going to read it again today. Bringing it to this point of this morality, when you get to that point where the world tells you today, listen ... like for example, let me go back a minute here. When I first came and gave my life to God, I was very, very legalistic. I was like everything had to be by the book. I told you, I’m an extremist, so everything had to be by the book. I would tell my son, all the time, my oldest son, “Listen, it’s not right for you to go to bed with women when you're not married. You should only go to bed with a woman that you think she’s going to be the mother of your child,” because it’s what my father told me. My father never read the Bible but this was his moral, “Son, you should only go to bed with a woman. When you go to bed with a woman, ask yourself, are you willing for her to become the mother of your child?”

The same thing applies with women. When you go to bed with a man. ask yourself, “Are you willing for this guy to be the father of your child?” Believe me, if he’s a bum, before he’s a father, he’s going to be a bum father. But as I read the Bible and especially as I was reading being very convicted looking back at my life and seeing how I got to a point ... here’s a kid that was so clean-cut, and it got to a point that my life was one big porno movie. The thing about it is, like a friend of mine in prison Tony used to call it, a ten-second thrill. That’s about all it is. Afterward you feel so empty, you feel so void, right? Then you get to a point where nothing really matters. There’s no morals anymore. I’ve told you in Coming Clean and in Narco Mindset, this was the excuse that I used to cross that line when I saw the federal judge snorting cocaine, and the cartel was asking me to become head of all operations. When I saw that, I said to myself, “Yeah, at the age of 10, there’s no God. Now, at the age of 20, there are no morals in America. If there are no morals, why shouldn’t I sell drugs? If there are no morals, why shouldn’t I enjoy pornography?”

Somehow, this is really interesting, somehow there is something inside of us, Anthony. Like a check. The problem is how much we do things that that check really doesn’t work too much. The check would be, if watching pornography is not immoral, meeting with women etcetera. This is a guy who lived in the life of porno. Not only I wasn’t addicted back then, there was no internet and porn or anything like that, I just knew all the porn actresses. I used to party with all of them. Here’s the thing, I look at the day and this was a really shocking case for me. I looked at the day when my son, who at that time was 5-6 years old. The night before, my wife was watching this program, Food Porn, and it’s about cooking etcetera. But lo and behold, somehow it intrigued him that he went and he googled that on his computer. That was before we had all kinds of safeguards that we have now.

Lo and behold, there he came and he was exposed to it, right? My God, it destroyed my wife, we called the priest etcetera. Eventually, thank God that we had a really cool priest that was really, really wise, and one of my spiritual mentors. He said to me, “You know, you’ve just got to understand that you cannot make this a horrific event for him because then he’s going to create a horrific picture. You’ve just got to walk him through what he has seen and what is wrong about it, and explain to him.” I did. Up to this day, my son is amazing with that. Afterward... and what I’m getting at is as I was reflecting on it, I was thinking to myself, “My God, I thought this was also normal.” But not when it comes to my son, and forget about had it been to my daughter, it would have destroyed me.

You know, it’s the little check that we have inside of us because, man, I remember ... I’m younger than you are, I remember the first time I saw a Playboy magazine, my next-door neighbor, Jimmy, had to steal it from his father and it was like you thought we were stealing the Federal Reserve Bank to get that magazine to look at it for about five minutes. All it showed was some tits and some butt, and I’m like today, they don’t have to go looking for it. It just comes at you. If we have no morality in the society then what makes up the rules of what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and not accepted. It cannot be what is societal acceptable because then if we go to another society then ... Let’s say that I go to a culture that is all about open sex etcetera, and they look at morality a lot differently than I do, and I go there with my wife, and then what happens?

It’s a huge double standard and it’s a very complex subject. We are constantly given a message of no morality. Crap, I don’t know, 30 years ago, I don’t know if you remember when the thing that was prevalent was moral inhibition. You cannot be morally inhibited. You have to be open to other things, to trying out other things. It’s not bad. This is how we were created. I think that right now we are just so hit, so inundated with so much programming and so much garbage out there that in reality, it’s trying to destroy anything to do with morality which I believe it becomes one of the first stepping blocks or building blocks to destroy the family.

I have a wife that I think she was an extremist for a long time because her view was, “Hey if a television or a movie is not good enough for our kids, we shouldn’t watch it.” I used to get pissed because I was like they are 8, 9, and 10 years old, I’m 50, 55. But you know what, she’s like, “You watch whatever you want. I’m just not going to do it.” And she didn’t and then eventually it just convicted me so bad and then I started to find the wisdom in it. What was the purpose of it? Sure, it was entertaining but I mean ... look, I’ll give you a perfect example. You know we talked about that we were going to talk about raw in this podcast. I went to see a movie, Jennifer Lawrence. I went to see this movie and there was a movie a while back called Salt that was really about a Russian woman agent. It was Angelina Jolie. It was really exciting. Jennifer Lawrence does this movie.

The Russians have this program to get women to use their bodies and they can manipulate anybody that they want. I went with my son thinking it was an action-packed movie. Jennifer Lawrence, I didn’t think she would do anything with any hardcore sex or anything like that. There’s a scene there where she’s sitting on a table and they're putting her to a test whether she can really control a man’s mind with her body. She opens her legs and starts using the F word and says it over and over again. My son takes off. He’s 18 years old. I get up after him but I come home, he doesn’t say anything about it and I’m talking to my wife and I’m like, “You know what, it’s ridiculous. He’s already a grown man, the movie that’s about two seconds’ part of the movie that shows this, literally, a pornographic picture. You can see her vagina in it.” I’m like, “We are adults. You should be able to overlook that.”

You know what? My wife didn’t even answer because she knows I’m stupid. She doesn’t like to debate with me. She just likes to let me go my way and feel an idiot. But afterward, I started to realize, here I am, I’m telling people to do what is right. I’m a Bible professor. I do all this and, all of a sudden, I become desensitized to this? All of a sudden I’m like, that doesn’t matter to me anymore? I’m not outraged? Actually, the minute I saw that I should have gotten up and left with my son. Said nothing, just left. He was the adult in the room and I was the child but I think that we’re obsessed with it because we’re inundated with it and because we’re inundated I think the world is at a point where it wants to tell people, listen, if morality is not there ... Let me put it this way if morality is not there to enlighten us that infidelity is wrong, that cheating on your girlfriend is wrong, that pornography is not good for you, it can destroy you. I’m telling you from experience, it can destroy you, if morality is not there to educate us with this and to enlighten us, then what is?

So, let’s get rid of morality. So, then pornography is not wrong, having sex with two, three women is not wrong, cheating with my neighbor’s wife is not wrong, cheating on my wife is not wrong, nothing is wrong, right? Because what is morality? Morality basically tells us in our world what is the correct and wrong thing, so going back to the Bible as I use it as a book of philosophy, to me it’s just a book of wisdom, right? I call it a book of morals because, think about it, what happened like ... Warden Cain says this so well at Angola, you interviewed. He says, “Look, I use the Bible to teach the hardest of all inmates to be moral people.” What do moral people mean? What does a moral inmate cannot be anymore? A moral person does not steal, does not cheat, does not kill. If you do not steal, cheat, and kill and you're an inmate, then what does morality teach you? It teaches you to take care of your brother, to be a decent human being, to say yes sir, no sir.

I just turned 64 two days ago, and I still tell anybody yes sir and no sir. This is the way I was brought up. Moral people are people of character but we are now in a society where there is a moral relativism that certain things are only immoral in certain contexts. Between you and me, and I know you share the same view as I do, is to me it’s a lot of bullshit. I mean, what is moral is moral, and what is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong. What was right 2,000 years ago seems to be so much right today. We celebrate heroes, right? Everybody wants to celebrate. We celebrate movie stars. We make heroes out of anybody. The problem is, why we don’t celebrate moral people is because in reality, a lot of time, moral people don’t take a hardstand. If you are at the office right now and people are saying things that are completely immoral, do you have the guts to stand up and say, “Listen, I respect what you do, I respect what you say, but please don’t say it in front of me? It doesn’t do any good for me.”

Since we don’t get celebrated and because we’re inundated with the message that just does whatever you’ve got to do, go wherever you’ve got to go, there’s no morality, there’s nothing holding you back then we go to church. What do we find in the church? I told you I did an event, and when I was in the Evangelical Church, I used to have an altar call. I’m telling you, it was really, really, for me ... As a matter of fact, I’ll be honest with you, I stopped doing it. I stopped doing it for a long, long time because it was killing me. It was killing me to hear the confessions of the things that people were involved with. I mean, these were, according to society and according to their groups, they were upstanding people.

Because, today, we don’t stand for what is right and we don’t stand against what is wrong then the church has no meaning because what is the church? The church is you and I. It’s not that fancy building. Look at all the beautiful churches we have in Europe and they're nothing but beautiful, fancy buildings. The church is two people taking a stand and saying, “Hey, we’re going to stand for something greater than what the world is going to stand for. We’re going to stand for what is right. We’re going to stand for what is the truth.” But when we see leaders, especially church leaders, when we see them do things that are just not right, when we see them overlook wrong, overlook people’s horrific behavior, who the hell wants to be like them? That’s why you know the old, I’m sure you’ve heard it many, many circles, “Man, there’s no hell like a preacher’s kid.” And you say to yourself, “How can a preacher’s kid be hell? How can he be wild?”

It took me a while to see it but then again, I’ve always got to give this disclaimer. There’s a lot of amazing men and women of God who are making a big difference in the world. Maybe I’m just talking about a small minority or a major majority, it doesn’t matter. The reason I believe is because they see something different at home than what they see in the church pews on Sunday. We are holy on Sunday. I told you, I saw it when I had my company. I was proud to tell people that we had four corporate objectives. We honored God in all we did. We helped people develop. We were excellent. The thing about it is that I had no problem telling people, “Listen, my company is called Service Master; in the service of the master.” The truth of the matter is, I stood for that and I was very, very careful that whatever I did in public and in private reflected who I stood for.

For me, for Jorge Valdes, at the end of the day, there was only one audience that I had to appeal to, and that to me was my God who saved me and changed my life. Whoever the audience is, whether it’s your wife, whether it’s your children and think about it, in today’s world, our children are watching. They're watching like a hawk. We’ve got to be really, really careful. I tell other parents, “Listen, man, your daughter is going to marry a man like you. And mothers, your son is going to find a wife like you. How we are is what we expect to see our children become. We see the decline of morality in the church, what is the logical outcome? We’ve had this rise of this [inaudible 00:20:58], N-O-N-E, people with no religious affiliation. They want nothing to do with religion. They're spiritual. That’s another subject to touch up but they want nothing to do with religion.

Remember I did that video on my YouTube channel and it was in response to a video that I love Jesus but I hate religion. Well, I did a response called I love Jesus because I love religion but the religion for me is the one that is nothing but the norms that teach me how to treat my brother, how to treat my sister, the husband I need to become, the husband I am, the father I am and the father I need to become. When we have a decline in the home and then all of a sudden, we go to church and we’re holier than thou.

You know how many people in my company used to tell me ... not in my company but people we dealt with, I said, “How can you do that as a Christian man?” I told this to a guy that cheated me one time. I said, “How can you do that as a Christian man?” And he looked at me straight in the eye and said, “Look, my faith and my career are two separate things.” I said to him, “Thank God that my faith and my career are the same because five years ago I would have shot you.” That would have been my faith and that would have been my career to shoot your ass for being so sorry but it’s sad. It seems like we stand for things that we don’t live up to and I tell people, “Listen, if you don’t stand up for something, you’re going to fall for anything.”

Anthony:          I want to dive into a little bit of a different angle here because somebody listening to this podcast may say, “Well, Jorge, you were a big cocaine drug lord, one of the leaders of a major world-famous drug cartel 30 plus years ago, 40 years ago. Back then you were immoral because you used deception to bring drugs into the US. You lived this party lifestyle. You did all these things, broke laws and that’s why you were ‘immoral’.” But the person may think that they are ‘moral’ because they don’t do that, they don’t steal, they're not breaking laws. However, they may be having an extramarital affair on their wife, they may be addicted to porn, they may be using drugs even if it’s recreational drugs, things like that.

What do you say to somebody or how do you address something like that where somebody kind of decides immoral versus moral in their minds and they are kind of just letting be either desensitized or let it pass some of these deeper moral issues and behaviors but because they don’t steal and they don’t cheat and they don’t necessarily blatantly lie to everybody, they consider themselves ‘good people’ and thus moral people, and they don’t feel like they need religion or the Bible to tell them any different, they're happy.

Jorge:               Well, yeah, and it’s an excellent point because the thing about it is I think that one thing that I say is that it’s really ... my minor was in Psychology and they call it projection. So, if I look at you and I point my finger at you and say, “Hey, Anthony, you're a worse sinner than I am or the things that you do are more immoral than what I do,” then in my mind, I’m a moral person. For example, I never killed anyone or had anyone killed. So, should I say I am more moral than a lot of the assassins that I knew because they took lives? No, I was not more moral. I was just as immoral as they were. If we really want to get down to the bottom of it, we have a way ... I say in religion we have a way of giving shades of colors to sin.

This is a white lie. This is a black sin. This is a red sin. This is a yellow sin. The truth of the matter is that for me and for you, as followers of Christ, sin is sin. What it does for me is it just separates me from someone that I strive to please, someone that I felt has changed my life. But in society, what is really critical is that we find ways, and this is how we justify everything. Therefore, because we have an elected official, whoever he might be or she might be, and that elected official passes a law that is good for me and it serves my well-being, it serves my good then I have a way of saying either that that person is a good person, that person is the best, that person is moral, or I have a way of not saying nothing, just saying, “Hey, you know, this is how it is.”

We have a problem with differentiating between good and evil, between calling out people on what is wrong and applauding them for what is right and to recognize that within us. We have the ability of being really bad and we have the ability of being really, really good. Just because we do bad things sometimes doesn’t mean that we don’t have the ability to become good. Just because we are good all the time doesn’t mean we don’t have the ability to one day do something bad. I tell people I believe inside of every human being is a saint and a murderer. That’s just the way that I look at it. I’ve seen people. I’ve seen it. I’ve lived in a horrific world. When we try to justify our behavior by saying, “I’m not as bad.” What the hell does that mean, as bad? Everyone on this earth can say they're not as bad as somebody else. There’s always somebody a little worse or a hell of a lot worse. It does not erase, it does not cover up, it does not justify, it does not redeem you from your actions.

We are accountable for our behavior and the bad in us should not be measured against the bad in somebody else. The bad in us should be measured against what deep down inside we believe is good, is noble. I taught a class on Ethics and I had a really, really successful agent. He was African-American, wonderful, very, very wealthy. I taught this class on Ethics and she said one thing one day that really impacted me a lot. She said, “You know, a lot of times, people say I am the way I am because of the sins of my father or my mother or where I grew up or where I went.” To a certain extent, the circumstances in life we are born into do have an impact on who we become. But this girl said, “Look, my mum was a crack-whore, my dad was in prison. I loved him dearly and one day I decided it’s real simple for me. I’m just going to do the complete opposite of what I saw.”

This person became an outstanding citizen, rewarded tremendously, admired, admired company, growing, striving company, a person of faith. She could have said, “Poor little me, I’m all screwed up because my mum and dad were bad people etcetera. But you can see I’m not going to let my past define my future. Therefore, I’m not going to look at someone else and measure me against nobody else.” I tell people, “Listen, you should never measure yourself against anybody. Measure yourself against you, the mirror. For me, I measure myself as to what I believe God expects Jorge Valdes to be because if I measure myself to what I believe, and I could be totally wrong. Listen, I’m a gambler. I tell people if nothing else, play the odds. If I’m wrong, when I get up there, if there is no there, I didn’t lose a damn thing.

All I did was be a better friend to you, a better friend to my friends, be a better father, be a better mother. If there is, if when I go up there, there is a there, and I lived a life of hell, man, I’d just hate to have to answer for it. You know, again, we need to measure ourselves against us, not against somebody else because if somebody does wrong does not mean we have to go and do the same even if it happens to be those we love the most.

Anthony:          I think underlying what you're saying is that everyone still has freedom of choice. You can choose well or you can choose badly and there is consequences to action. I’m also intrigued by what you said of that person who basically looked at what their parents did and decided to do the exact opposite of that. It makes me think about what happens if the generation that our children today were to look at older generations and basically do the opposite of what they did including the millennial generation. What would society look like? I think it’s looking at choices and also the consequences of choices.

Too many people, I think, because they’re in this instant gratification world today that they just choose things because I want it, I want it, I want it, and then their lives start getting really complex and all sorts of problems and issues, and they don’t tie it back to those decisions where they were moral decisions even seemingly small but can have huge implications in terms of effects on a person’s life. I think there just needs to be more awareness of the results and outcomes of decisions that have a moral aspect to it and there’s a lot more than people think, and then measure that over not just days or weeks but over years. I think we would see a completely different picture around morality versus immorality and also why a society that embraces immorality and calls good bad and bad good really sets itself up to be in danger of collapse.

Perhaps as we wind down this podcast, I’d just like to get your thoughts, Jorge, on why does immorality weakens a society? Why does it weaken people and what are the underlying lies of immorality that make you think like you need this, you need that, cheat, do whatever you can, deception, it doesn’t matter, just get what you want. How does that play into the strength and future of a family as well as a society?

Jorge:               Well, you know, there’s a lot to unpack there. I think I’m going to summarize it by this. The greatest empire in history at one time was the Roman Empire. You talk about an immoral empire. This is where we get the word orgies, this is where we get the word ... it was just horrific. They built the roads that we sometimes still traverse or drive through or walk through in Europe. Imagine how advanced, how amazing, how powerful that empire was and it crumbled, it crumbled. Because, you know, at the end of the day, it’s ... you’re right. Listen, this was the subject I used to use when I did a lot of youth rallies. Choices and consequences. This is how I brought up my kids. Listen, there’s a choice you’re going to make in life and it has a consequence. Bad choices are going to have bad consequences. Good choices sometimes might have a bad consequence but at the end of the day, it’s a good choice. But every bad choice for sure is going to have a bad consequence.

One of the consequences, unless something we do now unless there’s a huge awakening in our society and this generation now begins to stand for what is right and not for what is wrong, and begins to be bold, I get hope.  

Abraham Lincoln said the fate of humanity lies in the hands of our children. I’m going to tell you something, I think, to a certain extent, me who was part of baby boomers, that was part of the ‘60s, sex, drugs and rock and roll, I think it was the beginning of the decay of the family, the decay of morality and I just believe that there has to be a shift. There must be a shift so we can go back to being moral because, again, if we just look at moral people as people that don’t rob, steal, cheat, tell the truth, just those four basic tenets can create an amazing society, a society where you talk to someone right now and you have no idea if he’s telling you the truth or not because they’ve told you so many freaking lies. Where do we go from here? It’s almost like Red Riding Hood and calling wolf, different.

For me and for you, I just believe that at the end, God’s always going to win. The other thing I tell a friend of mine, the other day we were talking about how horrible some things are going compared to the greatest generation and all that. I said, you know what, I guess that the only consolation for me is when the world really goes to hell, and I’m not saying the world is going to go to hell, by no means. Look, I believe we've gone through horrific times in our lives, ups and downs, ups and downs, and at the end, America is an amazing country. America was founded on amazing principles and America will always rise, will always rise through good people, bad people, good presidents, bad presidents, America will always rise because I believe just going back to [inaudible 00:32:43] one nation under God, under God. That’s just a word.

We put our hands on the Bible and say, “I swear to tell the truth,” and inside I say, “Bullshit, I hate that son of a bitch.” One nation under God, at the end of the day, that’s what really matters. Have faith that there are kids and there are young people, young millennials with access to technology and means that you and I never had, Anthony, that can spread words and create movements just like I see the movement to bring about different changes in our laws and our society.

But here’s the most comforting word for me. Every change in society, in humanity, every drastic change, every great movement has been brought about by one person. Not a whole bunch of people. Mother Teresa was one simple nun in Calcutta with no means, and she changed the world. So did John Paul, so did Mandela, so did different people.

I believe change is going to come and it’s going to come and not a revolution. Not all this revolution we’re hearing politicians talk about, which I think is horrific. If you're left, the right is horrible, if you're right, the left is horrible. No, it’s going to come about someone that’s going to bring what I think the world needs the most. Someone that’s going to exemplify an aura of love and he’s going to bring a message of love that hey, I respect you no matter if you are a Republican or a Democrat. If you're gay or straight. I am who I am. You respect me, I respect you but I love you in spite of whoever you are because for me and for you, Anthony, when God said, “One commandment I give unto you, that you love one another as I have loved you,” He never said, “Jorge, I didn’t love you until you stopped being a drug-dealer and stopped being a pornographer. I love you just the way you are.”

I believe that that’s what’s going to come about and that’s what’s going to change the world because America, if it is a nation under God, it cannot fail because otherwise, God is powerless. We touched on so many topics, Anthony, and there’s just so much that we can go on and on and on and on about. It’s been interesting. We’ll deviate back and forth because there’s really no set format for us. I really enjoy your challenging questions, and we pray that if you enjoyed this podcast, you will share it with your friends and you’ll tell others.

You’ll go to www.jorgevaldesphd.com, join our community. I’ll send you a PDF of my latest book, Narco Mindset: Freedom Edition, and just believe that you can make a difference in the world. Complacency is the greatest evil. Don’t just sit back and cry and bitch and moan. Get up and say, “Hey, you know what, I’m just not going to sit back and let my family, my life, those I love, just go on this way.” It doesn’t mean radical changes overnight. We bring about change one step at a time. So, again, thank you so much for listening. We look forward to the next episode on the Narco Mindset podcast.

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